"We no longer have the learning of the ancients, the age of giants is past!"
"We are dwarfs," William admitted, "but dwarfs who stand on the shoulders of those giants, and small though we are, we sometimes manage to see farther on the horizon than they."
"But often the treasures of learning must be defended, not against the simple, but rather, against other learned men."
"The life of learning is difficult, and it is difficult to distinguish good from evil. And often the learned men of our time are only dwarves on the shoulders of dwarves."
"Learning does not consist only of knowing what we must or we can do, but also of knowing what we could do and perhaps should not do."
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"It would be atrocious," I said, "to kill a man in order to say bu-ba-baff!"
"It would be atrocious," William remarked, "to kill a man even to say 'Credo in unum Deum."
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"A mirror that brings to life, for the imagination of the simple and sometimes even of the learned, the torments of hell. So that--it is said--no one shall sin. They hope to keep souls from sin through fear, and trust to replace rebellion with fear."
"But won't they truly sin then?" I asked anxiously.
"It depends on what you mean by sinning, Adso," my master said. "I would not like to be unjust toward the people of this country where I have been living for some years, but it seems to me typical of the scant virtue of the Italian peoples to abstain from sin out of their fear of some idol, though they may give it the name of a saint. They are more afraid of Saint Sebastian or Saint Anthony than of Christ. If you wish to keep a place clean here, to prevent anyone from pissing on it, which the Italians do as freely as dogs do, you paint on it an image of Saint Anthony with a wooden tip, and this will drive away those about to piss. So the Italians, thanks to their preachers, risk returning to the ancient superstitions; and they no longer believe in the resurrection of the flesh, but have only a great fear of bodily injuries and misfortunes, and therefore they are more afraid of Saint Anthony than of Christ."
"But Berengar isn't Italian," I pointed out.
"It makes no difference. I am speaking of the atmosphere that the church and the preaching orders have spread over this peninsula, and which from here spreads everywhere. And it reaches even a venerable abbey of learned monks, like these."
"But if only they didn't sin," I insisted, because I was prepared to be satisfied with this alone.
"If this abbey were a speculum mundi, you would already have the answer."
"But is it?" I asked.
"In order for there to be a mirror of the world, it is necessary that the world have a form," concluded William, who was too much of a philosopher for my adolescent mind.
"We are dwarfs," William admitted, "but dwarfs who stand on the shoulders of those giants, and small though we are, we sometimes manage to see farther on the horizon than they."
"But often the treasures of learning must be defended, not against the simple, but rather, against other learned men."
"The life of learning is difficult, and it is difficult to distinguish good from evil. And often the learned men of our time are only dwarves on the shoulders of dwarves."
"Learning does not consist only of knowing what we must or we can do, but also of knowing what we could do and perhaps should not do."
"It would be atrocious," I said, "to kill a man in order to say bu-ba-baff!"
"It would be atrocious," William remarked, "to kill a man even to say 'Credo in unum Deum."
"A mirror that brings to life, for the imagination of the simple and sometimes even of the learned, the torments of hell. So that--it is said--no one shall sin. They hope to keep souls from sin through fear, and trust to replace rebellion with fear."
"But won't they truly sin then?" I asked anxiously.
"It depends on what you mean by sinning, Adso," my master said. "I would not like to be unjust toward the people of this country where I have been living for some years, but it seems to me typical of the scant virtue of the Italian peoples to abstain from sin out of their fear of some idol, though they may give it the name of a saint. They are more afraid of Saint Sebastian or Saint Anthony than of Christ. If you wish to keep a place clean here, to prevent anyone from pissing on it, which the Italians do as freely as dogs do, you paint on it an image of Saint Anthony with a wooden tip, and this will drive away those about to piss. So the Italians, thanks to their preachers, risk returning to the ancient superstitions; and they no longer believe in the resurrection of the flesh, but have only a great fear of bodily injuries and misfortunes, and therefore they are more afraid of Saint Anthony than of Christ."
"But Berengar isn't Italian," I pointed out.
"It makes no difference. I am speaking of the atmosphere that the church and the preaching orders have spread over this peninsula, and which from here spreads everywhere. And it reaches even a venerable abbey of learned monks, like these."
"But if only they didn't sin," I insisted, because I was prepared to be satisfied with this alone.
"If this abbey were a speculum mundi, you would already have the answer."
"But is it?" I asked.
"In order for there to be a mirror of the world, it is necessary that the world have a form," concluded William, who was too much of a philosopher for my adolescent mind.
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